Some scientists wouldn´t touch a religious or spiritual  book. Some spiritual or religious people wouldn´t touch a scientific book or document. The religious´ question in life is: why? The scienticts´ question in life is: how?

I ask why and how and see no difficulties incombining the two.

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25.04.2012 kl.22:27

i agree, and i think you would really love "the martian chronicles" by ray bradbury - one of my favourite books of all time. it's short and beautiful and full of hope and humanity. here's an excerpt:

?The martians quit trying too hard to destroy everything, to humble everything. They blended religion and art and science because, at base, science is no more than an investigation of a miracle we can never explain, and art is an interpretation of that miracle. They never let science crush the aesthetic and the beautiful. It?s all simply a matter of degree. An Earth Man thinks: ?In that picture, color does not exist, really. A scientist can prove that color is only the way the cells are placed in a certain material to reflect light. Therefore, color is not really an actual part of things I happen to see.? A Martian, far cleverer, would say: ?This is a fine picture. It came from the hand and the mind of a man inspired. Its idea and its color are from life. This thing is good.??


26.04.2012 kl.00:07

I like it! Thank´s. Wanna read those chronicles. Kinda cute how the author uses the martians as a counterpart


26.04.2012 kl.00:47

As each day passes I believe more and more that Ancient Aliens and God are one in the same... So science is religion and religion is science, in truth the same information viewed at different angles...


26.04.2012 kl.02:11

Well, it's crazy or even scary how science depends on theories and models of the world that surrounds us when the truth is that we hardly know anything for a fact. Scientists come up with numerous concepts and explanations to provide a better understanding and systematization of various earthly phenomena. To put it roughly, religion seems to fill (even if not always completely) the gap between what can and what cannot be explained in a scientific way. I'm not sure what your religious beliefs are (if any) but either way being religious doesn't automatically mean being close-minded to science and vice-versa. Not to me at least. One can be religious and at the same time curious to know how things work from a scientific point of view. Religion and science don't have to be mutually exclusive. That being said, I believe a lot of religious people actually also ask "How?" and a good many scientists would have no problem asking "Why?". This is a really broad subject but there goes my two cents right off the top of my head.

A. Sparrow

26.04.2012 kl.03:17

I'm a scientist who believes that there are forces in this universe that go beyond scientific explanation. I don't know if that passes for religion or not, but it is what it is.

As for religion as conceived by humans, I don't think any person or culture on earth has ever really figured things out. Mysteries remain mysterious. I don't need a book to tell me that.

I sometimes write stories about spiritual topics, particularly the afterlife and such, and I try to include some of that mystery, by keeping things murky and contrary to popular beliefs.


26.04.2012 kl.06:33

Good thing you mentioned. But on the other hand you opend a big and very old dicussion between Religion VS. Scients.

Want to knom more about it and the Video is very good^^

Like it a lot!


26.04.2012 kl.09:07

Not my words, however, I found them interesting, if a bit ham-fisted:

Study of the spirit has been booby-trapped by the thought control operation through religious superstitions they instill in the minds of men.

Conversely, the study of the spirit and the mind have been prohibited by science which eliminates anything that is not measurable in the physical universe. Science is the religion of matter. It worships matter.

The paradigm of science is that creation is all, and the creator is nothing. Religion says the creator is all, and the creation is nothing. These two extremes are the bars of a prison cell. They prevent observation of all phenomenon as an interactive whole.


26.04.2012 kl.09:07

@A. Sparrow: I don't think that believing in supernatural forces equals religion. To me, religion is pretty much always connected with some kind of worship - be it out of fear, or in hopes of finding eternal life or a better state of being (or for other personal reasons). I would say not all atheists reject the fact that there exist forces in the universe that go far beyond human comprehension but obviously that doesn't make them religious in any way.

At least that's the way I see it.


26.04.2012 kl.09:59

I agree with a lot of what you guys wrote, even the (yes) a bit ham- fisted quotes, and may I emphasize my words MANY and SOME, luckily we have many spiritual people and people drawn to matter and science, who is curious about both. I got one foot in both and being spiritual equals being open for the fact (...hehe) that there is something bigger, something with a consciousness, a force behind the creation, who/which gives the creation a meaning. Call it fear, I wouldn´t argue with that, but for me it´s even more about doubting that we, humans, can be the creatures with the highest intellect around. But hey, I´m open for all possibilities, this is a huge subject with probably no correct answer ever being articulated by a human... I´m reading the bible these days, just for the interest of the book. And it´s very clear to me why I "left" christianity as a child, having too many unanswered questions. With that being said, I´m going to bake me a bread, goodday!


26.04.2012 kl.19:32

An interesting TED video about Values and Morals, are they controlled by Science or Religion?


26.04.2012 kl.19:34

Hahaha my captcha code for my last post was "Fact Disciple"


26.04.2012 kl.19:37

I lost my believe in the fact that there is only one driving force or creature that is directing everything. There are too many reasons in monotheistic religions that made me getting away from that believe. First of all the fact that religions have been organized to churches. So i make a difference between churches and believe. My believe is a more pantheistic one. My believe is more anciently like the celtic, german or viking believe with forces and ghosts of a more good and a more bad or evil kind of character. It depends on them if human beings are going to the one or the other side. The one big task in life is to do the most things to discover the good forces in life, like love, music and other things that can make you happy. Even better it is, if that activities are shared with other people. These things have nothing to do with intelligence, only with the ability to enjoy.


26.04.2012 kl.20:37

read "cosmos' and ''the varieties of scientific experience: a personal view of the search for god''. both are by the famed scientist carl sagan. his books literally changed my life!!


27.04.2012 kl.06:13

I think you're dead-on on this. There's common fallacy on both sides. Scientists often forget that they work within a setting of certain philosophical assumption. There must be laws of nature to discover and you must be able to observe it. Further you must be able to discuss them, i.e. you must assume logic and free will for your research to make sense. So if a scientists say they don't believe in anything that can't be tested with the scientific method, they in fact claim truth for statement that itself can't be tested and show that they don't know anything about logic.

The common fallacy of religious people attacking science is to demand scientists to leave the scientific setting when the research seams to give unpleasant results which is the same mistake from the other direction. Philsophical implications of scientific results have to be discussed in humanities.

Personally, I base everything on the view that humans are persons with free will, able to seek and find truth in nature and logic. (And I won't discuss that with anyone who thinks he or she is just a robot or not possible to make true statements ;) )


27.04.2012 kl.08:27

science adjusts its views based on what's observed. the scientific method relies on evidence and reason. religion is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. religion acknowledges revelation and sacredness and fear. i choose science as my religion.

Vicky Chu

27.04.2012 kl.12:07

The funny thing is - there are no answers to any of these questions :) And not limiting yourself in trying to find the answer is definitely the right way forward. Good for you, Darling!

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